[meeting with producer mogul Jon Peters for the first time]

Kevin:
He goes, "It's pending approval of the producer." I said, "Who's the producer?" They said, "Jon Peters. Meet with him." Jon Peters, if you don't know, is a producer on movies like... He was an exec producer on Rain Man. He was a producer on Batman. He was a producer on The Main Event, the Barbra Streisand boxing movie. He got his start in the business as Barbra Streisand's hairdresser. One day, he became a producer. Because in Hollywood, you just kind of fail upwards. So anyway, I'm going to meet Jon Peters. I go to his place. And he was a hard-core producer on Batman. It was his baby from beginning to end. When you get to his house, it shows because it's like driving up to Wayne Manor. This is a big mansion, through woods and shit. It looks like there's a holographic cave to one side. So they bring you in, and he shows up wearing short tennis shorts and shit. He's a built dude with a perfect head of hair like well-quaffed, or coiffed. He says, "They tell me you got a take on Superman. " I tell it to him. After I'm done, he's looking at me, nodding. He goes: "You know why you and me will do a good job on Superman?" I said, "Why?" He's going, "You and me, we get Superman. You know why?" I said, "No." He said, "Because you and me, we're from the streets." Now I grew up in suburban New Jersey. Never saw a black man till I was about 20. I'm the farthest thing from the streets there are. I grew up on a street. But not on "the streets." I'm thinking, "I'm from the suburbs, you're a hairdresser. Neither of us are from the street." But I don't say that 'cause I want the job. So I said, "Who would you see playing Superman?" He said, "If I had to cast it right now?" I said, "Yeah." And he said, "Sean Penn." And I was like, "Spicoli?" It was an interesting choice. He's like, "Did you see Dead Man Walking?" I said, "Yeah." He's going, "Look in his eyes in that movie. He's got the eyes of a violent, caged animal, of a fucking killer." And I was like, "Dude, it's Superman." He's like, "I got some directives for you if you move forward... some things I want you to do and don't in the script. Three things, okay? One, I don't wanna see him in that suit. Two, I don't wanna see him fly. And three, he's got to fight a giant spider in the third act." I'm like, "Let's go back to one. When you say you don't want him in the suit... " He's like, "Don't wanna see him in it. It looks too faggy." And I was just like, "No fags on the street, I take it." I don't say that because I want the fucking job. He said, "I don't wanna see him fly." I said, "Well, the suit and flying define Superman." He said, "Don't wanna see it. No scenes where he's flying around carrying people. Horseshit." I said, "All right, no flying." I said, "But the giant spider intrigues me. Why that?" And he's like, "Do you know anything about spiders?" And I said, "No." He said, "They're the fiercest killers in the insect kingdom." And I was like, "What does that have to do with our non-flying Superman?" He said, "There's gonna be a scene that I want. When I saw King Kong as a kid, there's a scene where King Kong's revealed... and it's a real big moment. I want that in this movie. I want some doors to open up and a big fucking spider's there." So I was just like, "All right. I'll give it a shot."

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An Evening with Kevin Smith (2002)

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